On the mammoth scene of world history this minor alliance would rank as a minute encounter. I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Because he may have been still depressed by Absalom's death. Please ensure your answer MEETS all our guidelines. He needed God to forgive him. How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? And, that was that. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. Our God has given us a law that says such and such, so this is what we are willing to do for you.". And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." The Bible helps us in this way, because it is full of examples of flawed heroes of faith. ", God answered immediately, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. We are getting toward the end of King David's life. Yes, my lord, he answered. And the LORD answered, It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, In their poverty and slavery the bowed but ever proud Gibeonites refused financial and other forms of compensation for the attempted genocide on their tribe. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. By deluding himself that he could solve any problem; by presuming that the end justifies the means; by deliberately countermanding clear and specific orders from the Most High God; Saul not only failed to remove an evil people from the land, he also guaranteed the ultimate destruction of his own family. He understood it. And Agag, he's a nice guy! Think of it as if it were today. He just simply rolled over. Another thing that God said to do was not done. Moreover, Samuel said, "What have you done? He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD? Why are they where they were? God is warning here that sin has consequences. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. Two years is a long time. But it does not say so here in so many words. Had David been righteous and been crying out to God, God would have heard him. Even so, maybe there were even worse problems, perhaps, and David was blind to them for three years. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - Jonathan and Saul led the Now, if they participated in his sin, then of course, they will bear the guilt for their participation in that sin. SERIES INTRODUCTION These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. And these men, they need to be buried. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. The higher the vote, the further up an answer is. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. Then they replied, It was Saul who planned to destroy us, to keep us from having any place at all in Israel. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD?" He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. Only after three days did they discover that their "far-distant" allies were really next-door neighbors! However, that is not the case. Davids choice of victims reflects at least the covenant between him and Jonathan, if not also the one between him This does not make any sense. lorraine goode. It looks to me like he tried to work out a political solution rather than a righteous one. Now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; the children of Israel had sworn protection to them, but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. God punished Adam and Eve for their sin. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. This is pretty clear. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. Weba motive for Saul's attack on them. There is not much wiggle room in all this. This cultural thing about wanting our heroes flawed is so deeply ingrained in us that we cannot imagine anyone going through life without sin. "There was a famine in the days of King David for three years, year after year. So they thought, "Hmm. THE BATTLES OF THE LORD When were threatened by a Philistine attack, Saul he disobeyed Jehovah by offering a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." So, it is very likely that these men were murdered both as retribution and as sacrifices to some pagan god to spite the God of the Bible, and therefore, Israel. Good question. God spared them as a people, but His nation condemned them to endless servitude. What Saul did was commit another presumptuous sin. They have a discussion in the next few verses, and many Israelites want to go ahead and kill these Gibeonites for what they did. This may have only been a couple of months later. Why was Satan so effective in influencing the actions of Eve? This incident appears in time sequence toward the end of his life. For many today, this time period is ancient history. Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. David did not make any counter demands. "We don't want any money, for sure not Saul's money. On the other hand, when people do well, like Abraham, and they live God's way of life, this allows God the leeway to show mercy unto thousands of generations of people. If we would go back to Leviticus 26, we will see that David should have known that famine was no small thing in God's arsenal. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. To put it in a more modern time setting, a lot of people prefer Batman (the dark one), or Spiderman (the geek), to Superman for the very same reasons. Then David went and took the bones of Saul, and the bones of Jonathan his son, from the men of Jabesh Gilead who had stolen them from the street of Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them up, after the Philistines had struck down Saul in Gilboa. I do not know when God through Samuel stripped him of the kingdom. If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Think about it. Share King Saul exhibited that hubris, that overweening pride in his own decisions and that unfounded confidence in his own good judgment that he brought certain and lasting disaster upon his own dynasty. The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. Nevertheless, he names a few of them. During Davids reign, the people of Gibeon demanded that all of Sauls children be put to death so as to atone for a severe famine. Has the book of Amos been fulfilled or is it a reference to end times? It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. But, he did not. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. We do not know when it happened. They had advance warning. It springs out when you are not ready. There is nothing to give you any indication that God was involved in anything except the faminetrying to teach David a lesson. That is that he could have gone along with the Gibeonite's demands in order to get rid of seven possible contenders for his throne. I think he was very low. They fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and they were stuck. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. ESV - Joshua 9:22-24 Then Joshua called for them, and he spoke to them, saying, "Why have you deceived us, saying, 'We are very far from you,' when you dwell near us? I am just going to start with the backdrop to the incident. Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. Saul and the heir to the throne, his son, Jonathan, were killed in a battle with the Philistines, and by popular acclamation, David became the King of Israel. Israel had to live with those consequences for years to come. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. It was common knowledge. Where are they from? The Israelites had been dealing with the Gibeonites, who were Hivitesand as it says here, they were a part of the Amorite peoplesince the first days in the land under Joshua. David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. It won't do anybody any good lying here dead. He just weakly said, "Oh okay, whatever you want. The scriptures are not very definitive as to why. When we read the history of skirmishes and battles between the Gibeonites and Israelites we get a And how do I know this? Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. This shows that this portion of the story in II Samuel 21, hanging the bodies for six months or so, was an additional curse upon the land. But it appears at least 40, maybe 50 years in the past. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? I haven't been keeping up on things. You can read about them for yourself in the Book of Joshua, chapters nine and ten. Back to the Gibeonitesmost people probably did not remember it. The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). They are still there. Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of But, they like the dark one because he is moody, and doing things not for quite the right reasons. His anger at the WebKing Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. The latter believed that Saul's desire was to destroy them utterly. EVIL'S ULTIMATE END. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? The famine was a punishment for Sauls violation of the covenant, made with the Gibeonites back during the days of Joshua. He just let matters continue naturally and let it rub in for another six or seven months. Yet, because of the long time that has passed since then until now, when the Gibeonites were asked to bring it up, how many of the guilty ones had died? David represents usJoe Church Membertrue Christians in a time of spiritual famine, much like what Amos describes in Amos 8:11, with the famine of the word. King David, for example, made huge errors in judgment and committed colossal sins. I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. II Samuel 21:8-9 So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. He had a body of law that he could have referred back to and come up with a solution. Saul became a bit strange in the head after this, if you will remember. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! Why were two of Saul's sons and five of Saul's grandsons killed for a crime they didn't commit? Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. Does the devil have power to make us sick? Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? Israel was totally swindled and bamboozled. Saul committed a great crime against Gibeon and the Gibeonites. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. Report Skeptic turned believer, Catholic, father of 3, ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church. 3. God did not perform a miracle to end this famine after these men were executed. The historical narrative of King David is drawing to a close. God extends blessings far farther into the future than He does the curses. Deuteronomy 32:4. I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. Saul, after having disqualified himself from being king, sought to ingratiate himself with God by killing Canaanites, including an unrecorded massacre of Gibeonites. But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. We would like to make a covenant with you.". Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. We can't withstand them. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". God says very clearly that Israel was to conquer them, destroy them, and make no covenant with them. Now, turn to the episode of King David, which we introduced. Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). They decided to fight with the Gibeonites and teach them a lesson. In 2 Samuel 21:1-14, we see that Saul committed an awful crime, and this caused famine in Israel. But, you would think that after two years you would get the idea that this was not breaking. He received good marks in Scripture. Each generation had to live out its days as "hewers of wood and carriers of water". Their special, if dishonest, dealings with the leaders of Israel gained them a notoriety that most of the tribes and clans of the ancient Mid-East never attained. The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. We have examples of where that has happened, but he did not do that this time. At most it was about ten miles awaynot very far at all. he put the Gibeonites to death. I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. In the economy of God's providence, however, such tiny events often matter much. Vote Up He was tired of life, tired of war, tired of all the politics, tired of all the rebellion, tired of Joab. They wanted blood by putting to death seven male descendants to die for the crimes of that house against the Gibeonites. Therefore, there was a different system of justice than what the Gentiles were used to. Probably what happened was that they put them on the top of the hill at Gibeah, so that God in the Tabernacle could "see" the execution being done. LAMECH: FALL OUT FROM POLYGAMY; Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. WebTranslation Details for 2 Samuel 21:1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. That is how we overcome the dearth of the truth and the dearth of righteousness in our day. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. (Matthew 14:1921). These cagey enemies of God's people were destined to be destroyed, so they devised a simple, but clever scheme to deceive Israel in the hope of saving their own necks. He did this "in his zeal for. Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. This meant the latter harvest has passed, and maybe another month or so went by. WebThis points to their employment in the sanctuary; and possibly may shed some light on the massacre of the Gibeonites by Saul (2 Samuel 21:1). This angered God and was only amended years later after sacrificing seven of Sauls sons to the Gibeonites by hanging them before Jehovah at Sauls hometown, Gibeah. After that, Gibeonites were no longer mentioned though there are some writers who believed that they were among the Nethinim, the ones selected to serve the temple. There is no want to those who fear Him. It only says that God heeded the prayer of the land. Can we assume that God was in any way propitiated at the conclusion of this story? Why did Herod like to listen to John the Baptist, who criticized Herods lifestyle? ", The Gibeonites, we are told, were not necessarily a warlike people. If people grow up in a society and culture that does not have God at their beck and call, they do whatever they wantwhatever comes naturally. At the request of the Gibeonites themselves, seven sons of Saul were executed ( II Sam. 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the Then there is another thing. That is basically how it was. Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who trusts in Him! God required atonement to be made. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. September 01 2013 We are talking about the possibility of only two of the seven even remotely having any guilt in this matter whatsoever. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. They are going to cause problems. Gibeon is only a few miles mostly north of Jerusalem. That is the bottom line. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. And you shall take no ransom for him who has fled to his city of refuge, that he may return to dwell in the land before the death of the priest [no way of getting out of that either; he has to serve his whole time]. This is very, very important for this vignette in King David's life. And we bear the guilt with them for that. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating Or as the Had him over to the palace a few times." It seems that modern Westerners want their heroes flawed. Of course, a part of it is being able to look at ourselves and see how dirty, nasty, and rotten we are, and saying, "There is no way that anybody could live in this world without sin; even God's beloved Son.". David did all this, it seems, off the top of his head. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? Were they participants in killing the Gibeonites? II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. But, are these people telling the truth? If a person sins, he receives God's judgment for those sins. It is very clear, and very simplejust two little verses. We know that you said not to make a covenant with the people the land. And it happened at the end of three days, after they had made a covenant with them, that they heard that they were their neighbors who dwelt near them. The stories of such people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and on through the chapter give us hope that like them we can overcome and be assured of entering the Kingdom of God. Notice that I Kings begins not many chapters after this. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating delusion. Therefore, your kingdom is taken away and given to another. We have our own sins to pay for; we do not pay for theirs. How long was the average lifespan at the time? He resolved properlynot without a lot of death, with 70,000 dead in that plague, but at least he had the repentant attitude by the time it was over. It is easy to read this story blithely, and to think that David righted some longstanding wrongs that had happened, and then God happily sent rain to the parched land of Israel. Gave 7 of Saul's sons to the Gibeonites. Why so? This is a bit unusual. He was thinking about a lot of other things. But that conclusion is a bit too sanguine once you begin to look into that which is not said, or what is said elsewhere. It would take three or four generations for perversion to be kicked out of a society. So they performed all that the king commanded. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. We do not know how long before II Samuel 21 this incident happened. King David was compelled to hand over his own people to the power of Israel's ongoing enemies. God!before the Lordin Gibeah of Saul. It cut us off from God. They didn't present themselves in a truthful light saying that they were neighbors who respected Israel's strength and godly advantage and were suing for peace. You had only black and white television if you had television. But, the others were Saul's grandsons. No silver or gold from that house. Certainly, after three years you would. And the Lord said, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. WebThese lists are not concerned with the Gibeonites at Gibeon, but with the Benjaminite group which came to settle at Gibeon in the course of time. Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. And those two are questionable. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. They wanted the God of Israel to take it in the eye. Samuel turns away; Saul grabs at him and only catches his robe, and tears it. They were appeasing their own god to send rain. That would be such a carnal thing to dojust let the Gibeonites kill seven of Saul's kids who could claim the Israelite throne and get them out of the way. Also, the Lord pronounced, It is a result of the massacre by Saul and welcome classification because Saul indeed destroyed the Gibeonites in the Bible. He is able to judge justly. It is not genetic. He was tired, and wanted to get it out of the way. He allowed his actions to be dictated by the Gentile principle of retributionvengeancerather than God's law on such matters. There was no negotiation; there was no calling them on anything. If, in the event the Israelis ever came their way, they would be servants to the people of Israel. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. We have all these things coming at the end time, which is very short. Now if the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as He swore to your fathers, and gives you the land which He promised to give to your fathers, and if you keep all these commandments and do them, which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and to walk always in His ways, then you shall add three more cities for yourself besides these three, lest innocent blood be shed in the midst of your land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, and thus guilt of bloodshed be upon you. What is meaning of 2 Cor. WebThe LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. ", So David went out and said, "There are some things that have needed to be done. 21:1-11 ). I think that this was a test from God, and David failed spectacularly, except in keeping his promise to Jonathan. 'Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses [another layer that comes in]; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. It said earlier that they wanted them to be hung before the Lord in Gibeah of Saul. 1. There is another thing that needs to be thrown out there as a possible scenario, and this would have been the very worst and lowest that David could have sunk to. He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. Perhaps those first two, Armoni, and Mephibosheth were old enough to have participated in the event. Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. Just tell me and I will do it for you.. Who was the father of Mephibosheth? If He said that you are out of here, you are out of here. A snare is a trap. Let his blood be on us and on our children., Perhaps the Gibeonites are a type of the inclusion of the gentiles Romans 9:22-24. Something is wrong. The young lions lack and suffer hunger; but those who seek the LORD shall not lack any good thing. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. David didnt get the throne until Saul and Jonathon were both dead. David was anointed king many years before he took the throne. He had Saul tryin You see, famine on the scale like thisthree yearsis a sign from God that things were not copacetic in the land. Own people to the episode of King David was blind to them three. 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