Syed, 13. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? They always do it under the banner of safety. Pedestrian deaths 5300 Why? Most get grounded for a year? Wish I would have! After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. These blogs are linked to your name/email be truthful but be careful. Im not dumb enough to eat a big meal then jump right into a plane for the flight back unless it is one with a toilet and someone else is flying! In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. However, when it comes to flying without another capable pilot on board.only friends and family..that is another matter. I think that I could make a very compelling argument that, in many cases, the FAA medical actually does more harm than good. I think ill just go to Mexico and get a falsified medical. And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. While I dont think most will lie on their medicals, I feel that some will if they have an issue and are in fear of losing their certificate(s). I suffer from multiple personality disorder, but all of the voices affirm they are qualified pilots. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. What does this mean? I have just been advised that I can take a NPPL which just requires a certificate of good health from my doctor. The problem is I was diagnosed with ADHD back when I was about 9. (And not be able to go to the interview next month with the cert in hand). I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. Sometimes I think its not necessary for ATC people to have medicals. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. Thats a great question, Ben. I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. One is. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. I think that increasing the value of a worn out C150 to about $100K (which would happen the day they were included in the category) would take most of the trainer fleet out of circulation and the already paultry number of students would dry up completely. I've known guys who've cheated the system but have never heard of anyone in or close to my circle of pilot frinds who've had any aeromedical violation investigations. It has little to do with Health. I lost my younger years flying and now the hoopes I have to jump through is unbeleveable.I really love flying but the government can take the privelage away its not right. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. I know this Pilot who has type 1 Diabetes which requires insulin injections daily, drinks alcohol every night, takes an antidepressant, and every afternoon gets the shakes. If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. :). However, if you are involved in an accident, incident, or disciplinary action, you can bet that the FAA and the necessary authorities will take the time to investigate, and things you didnt disclose will come out. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. This is why sometimes it becomes necessary to avoid telling the attending physician more than is necessary least the physician spin the whole condition in different light by making a mountain out of a mole hill, thereby destroying the flying career of the pilot for something that even the physician himself or herself is not sure about. Re test. Funny thing is the murmur is gone but Ill never have my life back If you lie on your medical form Best of luck. Tell them what you will be it will be you that is on the bench because you failed the medical. We report, you decipher. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. People are willing to take the risks in exchange for their freedoms. While I share our concern about pilots going unconscious in flight, I have as much concern about FAA going unconscious while on the job. Im not a Senior AME, Ive only been one for a year. He never lied. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. My ex lied and never mentioned it. Special Issuance hoop jumping is expensive. I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent.. Yes its very rare for someone to have heart attack or neurological brain seizure in flight. I did years later and got totally cleared. We only use the Thank you for the advice and expertise Sir, you just saved me a $50.00 discussion appointment with my AME. Yet there is no medical requirement for any of these. Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? My father had passed his class 2 physical 3 weeks before having a massive heart attack and dieing at the ripe old age of 50. Have you EVER been dizzy? Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Hey Guys as you know there is nothing private on the internet. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. Two of the pilots I know of with these problems have Class 1 Medical Certificates. Ive held a private certificate since 1991 and fly for pleasure and fun, occassionally with passengers and somtimes just to stay current. Duuuuuuuuuh do fat babies fart? Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. dangerous individuals about whom one reads in the news at 10. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. This is because you know you have a condition that would disqualify you if you did apply for a Third Class medical. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. Not only is the medical certificate process flawed, so is the new AOPA iniative. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. Thats if they even decide to give you a medical waiver. Two years later fifty percent of the same Medical Board had differences of opinion, and being naturally frustrated I decided to visit UK, and was told by specialists there that systolic heart murmur does not prevent me from flying. It's better to try to resolve a condition first than to risk having your application rejected or delayed for months by the FAA. So, the medical certification process has greatly reduced my joy. The flight will continue without further incident. I stopped learning to fly as I did not have the additional funds to have the CAA medical. Never happens! Speaking as a pilot, I think that there should be a way to maintain certification for those of us flying recreationally without having to see an AME every 2 years. So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical. SO ITS FLY TILL I DIE OR GO TO PRISON. I hadnt had any issues or symptoms for over 10 yrs., doctors Id seen always pronounced me fit & healthy. Even if you can disprove a legitimate history or diagnosis of ADHD (discussed further below), use of a disqualifying medication within 90 days of application will usually lead to a denial. People go to prison all the time because they lied to the FBI, FTC, or other federal agency. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. 6 months and 2 weeks earlier I had one done for a Peace Corps application and sent that in, which would have been good for 2 years. Who would you send them to? The AME will then be required to report any changes to the FAA, If not, there is no need to report to the FAA. hej Jim, you couldnt describe better the current situation: from Aryan superman to weelchair pilot. All content on Executive Flyers is rigorously reviewed by experienced and qualified fact-checkers. Fill up the plane and navigate for them. The issue is what we feel is important, because the government wants a complete history and providing it isnt possible and pilots are going to make their own judgements about whats truly important to fully disclose. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. If say 10% are due to medical incapacitation, that would be 45-50 deaths a year. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. I have to do the same stuff to go ice diving. If anyone cares to share their thoughts or any advice I would appreciate hearing from you. When that happens, your whole medical history will come under review. The other crewmembers will consult the seniority list to see how they fare after my death. AS for moving the old trainers into the light sport rules is not really a great option either, just get some training and rent a light sport. Makes no logical sense. I would have assumed since this person had been flying for awhile, and flying solo that they would have imposed sanctions such as the ones discussed above. They want to approve, not deny medicals. I will follow that up with a word of warning. FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. Perfect safety is impossible, and an excessive attempt to achieve it will conflict with freedom. The only way to get information to them is via the USPS, another government agency stuck in the past. Beyond criminal penalties and keeping your pilots license, there are many other reasons to be forthright with your FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but for now just as a thought experiment consider that you choose to falsify your medical certificate application. If you do or don't disclose, that's your business. There, see you did lie on your medical didnt you. NONE . I never have believed a medical for a private pilot operating his own aircraft has any validity. Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? If you have a FAA medical denial for ADHD, call your aviation attorney at The Ison Law Firm for a consultation. By logging into your account, you agree to our. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. Some of us just have problems in our lives that are difficult to deal with. I took medication for years, before I decided I didn't like and chose to stop taking meds (with my parents). Until recently, a new pilot who had prostate cancer 10 years ago and has no evidence of recurrence had to jump through a bunch of hoops, and might have required special issuance. Lie, definitely not. I am 55. My name is not Gustavo either. Is the medical for safety or for what other purpose? then are able to re-apply. The cost of the medical exam will vary by location and examiner as well as the type of exam given. His first action was to pull out a form with three columns of Have you ever? items each requiring a yes/no response. On the other hand, the FAA medical system is complex, expensive, and difficult to support with data showing lives saved, etc. Now compare the above tabulation with: GA total deaths 400 I manage my health daily so as to not have to place them in a position to yank my ticket or otherwise cause me not to self certify. I served 6 years with the U.S. Secret Service, protecting POTUS and his family. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. Reply. A manager at a Fisdo reported to CAMI that an airman was on medication and had a long hospotible stay. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. I am a nurse and I see it all of the time. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. The FAA can get your records from Social Security if you are on Medicare. Well, I believe we should have to have a medical to operate a car, a motorcycle, a truck, a bus, a train or any type of machine that is exposed to or involved in transportation. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. Now you tell me how sad it is when an idiot declares you have daltonism and denies you the ability to fly, so ruining your dream forever. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. Bluskye, the FAA does not have the personnel to handle things quickly.. If you cannot read the serial number plate on the airplane that just flew by you then you should not be allowed to fly. You miss the point. Trying to fix an accidental lie on my medical. For Uncle Sam, though, this is anything but a judgment call. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. Does A Surgical Mask Help Avoid COVID-19? They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. its the government way. I do believe all of the ideas youve presented for your post. Avoid Medical Certification Delay. I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. The FAA as a whole believes all people should fly if they desire. Global misunderstands that Procedure codes, diagnosis codes and pharmacy codes were denied protections under to ACA of 2010. Should I expect the FAA to understand my circumstance if theyre going to pull a pilots ticket for marital counseling? Because of the Medical, no physician is my friend and neither are their nurses because they can enter accurate or inaccurate information into your record either one of which will condemn you. I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. However, my pilots do. Crashing airplanes? Since my late 30s, I have taken meds to control my blood pressure. Google "Operation Safe Pilot." In a blatant violation of the privacy act of 1974 as amended, the FAA, DOT Inspector General, and SSA Inspector General, conducted an illegal database match looking for common personally identifying information (names and/or social security numbers) in the FAA medical certificate database and the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases of 45,000 Northern . Pilots need to grow some, stand together, and stop tolerating it. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. Yet, until recently, the FAA wouldnt allow any pilot to be treated with an SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) a medication with an excellent safety record concerning accidents. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! Because the measures necessary to achieve it would make life intolerable dull and stifling. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. For what do you have special issuance? We display medical information based on FAAs Civil Aerospace Medical Institute (CAMI) medical records. Fortunately with the airlines, there is always a second pilot capable of flying the plane. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. Having people squeal on them? Question 18m. Before treatment, when I was sleepy, FAA wasnt concerned. There are folks flying with diabetes that are on insulin. All pilots know that after taking the physical they self-certify before every flight for the next year or two. I aeree. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. , you can navigate the process efficiently. Would be drowsy at odd times. Some other government agency gets told another. We have to be honest with ourselves. Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. With a small investment of time and energy, in the beginning, it is possible to keep flying with most medical conditions as long as they are well controlled. Age is only a number. If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Irs Data Book, 2020. chances of getting caught lying on faa medical one of the medications used treat! For over 50 years, pilots turned to Richard L. Collins for his unique perspective on the challenges and rewards of flying light aircraft. I have all kinds of things happen to me and I can not possibly put them all down or even remember them. One of the greatest fears among aspiring and qualified pilots is not being issued or losing their medical certificate. When I joined the military, it popped up at MEPs and I had to complete a waiver but I was allowed to go to boot camp. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. The list of silliness just goes on and on. Have you asked AOPA to assist you with getting your medical back? Period. Yes, all my discussion was only applicable to private, recreational pilots, not airline or large freight liner pilots. Im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my story. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? That resulted in the rejection of my 2010 medical! Consider the following tabulations on the number of deaths per year in various activities: Motorcycle deaths 4500 At least my livelihood doesnt depend on it. This does not mean that the AME should ignore any disqualifying condition that you might have. The FAA requires applicants with a diagnosis of epilepsy to be seizure-free for 10 years without medication before being considered for a medical certificate. As they say the truth eventually comes out but sometimes lies can go untold forever and I believe there are pilots who are flying around in our airspace with disqualifying medical conditions that should be special issuance or not even have a medical. Typical government bull-. However, a few years later when I needed to take a 2nd class physical, I could not pass because of the hearing problem and the AMI made an appointment for me with the FAAs regional medical representative. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. You can ask the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute for statistics on fatalities in which medical conditions were either the direct cause or a contributing factor. There's also the possibility that the results of a blood or urine test will expose a condition you tried to hide. instead of just listening to the engine, watch the instruments that monitored the engine. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. Ultimately, if you have a condition that you know will result in denial, become a sport pilot. Of course, as others have posted here NO ONE can truthfully answer no to all the questions because of ever. Furthermore if one has the right against self-incrimination in court testimony, why should one be forced to self-incriminate before a Federal Agency that is extremely bureaucratic, slow to change, and out of touch with reality? No pill makes that any different no weekly conversation with an over-paid, disinterested asshole makes it different either. Im just grateful to have my medical and hope to keep it however long I have to have it. to get it straightened out. If you you diagnosed with some sort of Learning Disability like ADD,ADHD,OCD,LD it doesnt make a difference. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. It revealed an abnormality. I then had to take an echo, which revealed I was even healthier than I thought! One DUI is not disqualifying. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. The smart ones do. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. My 10k already spent, to me was wasted. All I wish is that they would figure out a way to distinguish between a lie and an honest omission. They ask about frequent or severe yet dont define how frequent is frequent or how severe is severe. Instead, they send a letter asking for more information from you and your doctors. Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. My ex hubby did it yearly. At a minimum, the liar can lose flight provileges for good. You have to be careful what you ask for. If you think your AME charges too much, find someone else. XYZZY62, Check the AME Guide posted at faa.gov to determine what the FAA requires for your seasonal depression. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. The information they request is typically a collection of recent medical records that address the concerns they identified in your application. Really? Also why does your local AME put something on your report and call it insignificant but 6 months later the FAA makes a federal case of it and wants more tests for this insignificant thing. or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). If you have a medical issue, may god be with you as you try to figure out exactly what you have to do (e.g. With over 20,000 hours of real world experience, much of it in Cessna 172s and P210s, Collins wrote about safety, weather and air traffic control from first-hand experience. The FAAs denial letter may look daunting, but time and time again, airmen with a history of ADHD are being issued medical certification following the appropriate presentation of the airmens fitness for flight. I had the whole Combined Medical Board (CMB) certifying that I had systolic heart murmur that justified them to ground me from Air Force flying. What are the chances you will get caught? I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. As a pilot since 1953, and now a retired vascular surgeon who still flies, I have wondered for years if there is any evidence that pilot physical exams save lives. In the FAA world view you are not telling the truth. Where is this regulation? Free health screenings, nope, wont do those, might turn up something (whether correctly or incorrectly) that could end up costing me a fortune to deal with. Its funny that this question even comes up. Something like 75% of all medicals that arrive in OKC come from outside the USA. Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. The states set the standards for driver licenses and the Feds set the standards for pilot medical certificates and pilot certificates. Regardless of whether they lie or not, the system seems to be working there seem to be very few (if any) crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation that they FAA/NTSB can point to a problem that should have come in a medical. Our fact-checkers review each article to ensure that all the information presented is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. good for 2 years. Hell no. If a question comes up about whether or not a pilot is qualified to hold an FAA medical certificate, the application itself usually does not contain enough information for AMCD to make a truly informed decision. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Gradually, our freedoms are being taken away by government regulatory entities. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. I have informed my regular doctor to please clear with me anything they might write in my record, as it could affect my FAA medical. . Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. 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