That's one reason why using the slide stop is more reliable than pulling back on the slide; because some times shooters will pull it back but then also ease it forward removing momentum and causing the gun to not lock up properly. My Glock 21SF threaded barrel sucked for the first 100-200 rounds fired, but once it wore in it has been very good. Nick29 The gun has about 11,000 rounds through it. I just replaced my G26 recoil spring. Sometimes they go in crooked and stick up a bit. Something he has seen in the field. I ride the reset BTW - if I didnt, it would be fine. Turns out I reinstalled the takedown lever backwards. Things to note on a P80 is that the rails are sometimes not within spec for earlier models. The slide hangs up on something about 1/2" back. Thanks for the suggestion. Just got a new spring today. Lots of creep, but that is by design. I had this with my first gen P80. One mag in particular was the worst. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. you say its FTRTB (failing to return to battery) when allowing the slide to slam forward (not riding it slowly) I could only guess something wasnt put together properly. I took the gun apart this morning and the screw that holds the timney sear housing in the Glock housing was loose. It now passes the recoil spring test. Is this RSA going to $hit already? I'd take it to a gunsmith or a local shop with glock experience before it gets made worse. There are too many to quote, so I will just address the points. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. You cannot paste images directly. These both assume a stock Glock so YMMV.-----I had a stock G19 that was failing to go into battery during live fire. I totally get this. I noticed that even after one dry-fire, the recoil spring assembly drops down a little bit when I take the slide off the frame. The test I use is to take an UNLOADED gun and hold the trigger back, rack the slide back, then let the slide forward with my handto the point just before the barrel starts to rotate up, then I release the slide. Pasted as rich text. I stripped the entire frame and can't seem to find the issue. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. A bit off the Timney topic, but you might try a Lone Wolf connector with the Overwatch trigger. No lube should be needed on RSA. The slide goes forward just fine if he doesn't hold back the trigger but when he holds back the trigger, the slide won't go fully forward. Any . Could be too long and hitting the extractor bar/spring thingy and not letting the extractor get up over the case rim. Assuming you called Glock, how did they respond to this issue? None of the modifications you mentioned are in the slide unless you changer out the plunger. January 3, 2004 in Glock. I have not stripped the slide but I'm sure I could figure it out if the issue is there. Kinda weird. When it completely hangs I can release the trigger part way and it will snap into battery. I had a friend of mine install the 3.5 connector with the NY1 trigger spring on my old Glock 19. Timney should be a little more straightforward with their instructions. Haha. Usually, what the OP is describing is a problem somewhere else in the gun. Several failures to go into battery per magazine? I think the increased slide weight is preventing the rsa from becoming fully compressed during the recoil cycle using the handloads. If the firing pin did not drop then chances are that is the issue. The Barbie dolls are mine. I have 2 Timneys installed, one on a 34.4 & 34.3. If I let It slam shut there is no problem. 3. make sure the plunger is properly installed, take the side apart and push down on the plunger. No aftermarket parts except Night Sights on a Glock that is going to be a Self Defense Weapon. Something is WRONG, either modifications, misassembled, or maintenance. Got back to the range today happened a little less (still did not get any factory ammo yet) After looking at the slide there is some ware marks at some points and thinking maybe this might be little to thick on the coating i could be wrong just a thought. I know a few guys who shoot sigs and its starting to feel like Ive been trying to make my gun perform more like theirs. BrianEnos.com We also have Glock related articles like Tools Used . It definitely had the issue less today (not every mag) but its still doing it. no Go on the back plate do not have one.. I dont get it, youve been shooting a G34 for quite some time, then you cant get a Timney trigger to work so youre ready to try a Sig? I checked and it looks fine. Eject it. Can also try downloading the magazine by one round. No need to clean, just add lube. After replacing all the springs and detail cleaning everything with no luck, I was eventually told to replace the extractor. To eliminate grip issues, have you had anyone else try to replicate the issue with a different box of ammo? I have just installed an Agency arms trigger & trigger bar in the gun. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. By Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. The hit on the primer was a solid hit, dead center on the .45 case that blew out. My current set-up is a glockstore tungsten guide rod w/ 13lb spring, TTI Grand Master spring and connector kit, and SRO on a forward controls design plate. Grab the slide by the serrations and ram the web of your shooting hand into the cradle of the frame as hard as you can until it unjams. I agree, but Ive pretty much ruled out the recoil spring, and it seems crazy that four extensions and springs from henning and Dawson would all have the same malfunction. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. My participation level isnt at the point where a dedicated backup gun makes sense so i dont have another gen 5 to compare, this might be the thing that gets me to try a sig though. If so swap slides and eliminate the slide being the issue. with the gun completely empty and the factory connector installed I can still get it to FTRTB by holding it vertically and riding the slide home with the trigger depressed. I've read through a lot of the big thread on the Timney Trigger, and have searched, and haven't been able to find similar malfunctions happening with the Timney. Your previous content has been restored. Or has it been an issue since purchase? This may sound silly but when I was new to glocks I thought the pin in the grip frame was only if you used the extended back straps. Buy some higher power factor ammo for the next (200) rounds. "Laws that forbid the carrying of armsdisarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimesSuch laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Will get some pics next time at the range. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Sometimes you just need to oil them and rack the slide a few hundred or thousand times to break it in. Limp wristing one handed wasn't the issue as it happened with both hands first. Could be ammo related. SJ 40, thank you! It runs fine when shooting but it you ease the slide forward it stops and does not go into battery unless the trigger is moved forward. You must log in or register to reply here. it looks like the spring doesn't detend far enough , then doesn't pushes the slide into complete battery. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. From personal experience I recommend a factory connector. Haha.). Have you tried a different firing pin spring? The second came from the Instructor I took the course from. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. You are using an out of date browser. BTW, it fired and function 100% last night for 250 rounds with the spring installed incorrectly. There are MANY other options for Glock trigger mods and all of them have been in use far longer than the Timney. You can get calipers from Harbor freight, they are not the best but have a large read out display and I find them as accurate as Frankfort Arsenal digital calipers,you will use them for many gun related projects. Powered by Invision Community. It won't load a round. When you are normally shooting, your trigger is still pulled back when the slide returns. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. NWGlocker Registered Joined Aug 12, 2010 with the gun completely empty and the factory connector installed I can still get it to FTRTB by holding it vertically and riding the slide home with the trigger depressed. I bought the G19 new, and ive never torn the slide down. Just wanted to point out that you can limp wrist with both hands on the gun and if everything is stock like you said, and you truly believe it has only been fired once, I default to user error. I bought a LW threaded barrel direct from Gemtech last year for my suppressor. A Glock is one of the easiest pistols to work on and we have pleanty of content for you to learn more about this pistol. I do . You can take the Glock Armorers course and they give you one. I am not LE but I was able to take the course just had to drive a hour to where they were having it. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. have you considered maybe tossing the Timney in the trash and going back to the trigger youve used for the past 11,000 rounds and using that? I dont have any aftermarket parts in it. When I pull it all the way back and then release, the slide locks just fine. Feel the mouth of the case for burrs, etc.. I'm going to look in to some of your suggestions and, if all else fails, put another few hundred rounds through it and see if it persists. The trigger bar and connector are polished but no metal reshaped or removed. Check for it. Seat the magazine and pull the slide back all the way. Out of a 10 round mag, it averaged 2 or 3 times. Tapping on the magazine or back of the slide gets the round to chamber. I am pretty familiar, but I work with a Glock Advanced Armorer and even he is a bit stumped. I will say that I just set up a new Zev Glock 17 with RMR, and my usual loads ran the gun just fine, but (without checking) the Zev slide seems lighter than the OEM Glock one it replaced. This is only going to be used at the range. This is only going to be used at the range. To check the recoil spring for wear I was told to remove the magazine and empty the gun. It did shoot fine. - Bren. When I press the slide release it loads just fine. With the slide off, there was visible movement in the timney part when i manipulated the trigger. The problem was a Ghost firing pin safely spring. I don't know if that is the problem, but thank you for trying to help. Or at least use it as a starting point to tweak in a different direction than a Timney??? Did you try having someone else shoot it? I have a couple Dawson and Henning magazine extensions. before the timney Ive been using a glockstore black yikes connector and Overwatch Precision trigger. Was this an issue before you installed the new connector? You cannot paste images directly. Put ammo in from the same box into my 92A1 and had no issues. I recently changed out the connector on a new G19 I picked up and I noticed that if I rode the slide home slowly while doing dry fire practice the gun would FTRTB due to a longer arm on the connector that rides against the cam on the slide. I only switched because my Glock trigger could only set off certain primers due to the lightness of the springs I needed to get it to work. BrianEnos.com Is there something specific i should look at on the mags? You may post anything as long as it is related to the Glock line of pistols, and you are not spamming our sub with your advertisements, sales, YouTube channel. Your load seems fine to me - adequate for a typical Glock 19 to operate well. Here's how you can test if it's a recoil spring issue: 1 With the pistol empty, pull the trigger, and keep the trigger depressed. Thanks for the info. I'm in California), but then it stops going forward just short of going into battery. My 19 does that but when I shoot everything seems to be OK. I am making sure not to ease it forward. I plan on winning the lottery soon so I'll have much more free time in the future. Im curious to see what the hype is about but getting rid of my Glocks isnt a consideration. Slide not fully returning to battery while trigger hasn't been reset (G19) So I have a G19, cerakoted slide. Ive played with the trigger a good bit and its still a glock trigger. 2 Angle the pistol so that the muzzle is pointed straight up. Then compare frames and see what is different. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. If that doesn't work I would also suggest installing a heavier recoil spring and a heavier trigger spring. I'm not new to glocks and have done detailed strips before so I don't think it is the recoil spring not seated correctly. It will keep the gun just out of battery when reversed. Knock on wood but I think I may have figured it out with help from many of your suggestions. I do not recommend using a dremel on that. So w/o any round the chamber, pull the trigger back and hold it, then ease slide back and look for the slide to raise up some. Display as a link instead, There is a lot of stuff interacting to make the gun work and sometimes it can be hard to figure out. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. If this is only an issue when easing the slide forward than it may not be an issue at all. I'm guessing if the OP was shooting reloads this may have been the problem. plunger spring or firing pin spring so i would leave the alone. This isn't an issue when practicing slow fire but rapid fire would be a problem. that should fix it for sure, I assume you are using the "U" shaped washer as well ? Does it function? FYI it's not the recoil spring. A slight adjustment to the crimping die corrected the problem. Like polishing amounts? Your link has been automatically embedded. Who knows. This allowed the rear trigger housing to raise up and give me battery/jamming issues as well. In using it, ive experienced several failure to fires. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Matter of fact, I have a couple of triggers from Charlie Vanek that he used a Lone Wolf connector in that he had tuned up. Ohthis is all with the muzzle pointing straight up. It is one of the dual captured springs, so there doesn't appear to be much that can be done to "fix" anything. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rochester-Personal-Defense-LLC/461665857219329, Laws and Politics - Firearms/Self Defense/Weapons. Comedian and Student of Life | Ep 029 JP Sears, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Looking for help. In the end, you will want to have at least 2/3 to 3/4 of the sear face/firing pin engagement to be safe. I can't figure out how the trigger would cause that kind of malfunction anyway, but it's the only change I've made before the malfunction started. This, in all cases with any new firearm, is a fundamental error. A forum community dedicated to glock owners and enthusiasts. I was a little afraid to fire it after I ran the recoil spring test and it didn't go back into battery. My brand new Glock 19 Gen4 does the exact thing. Its light but mushy. In addition, if you just had the slide (and / or frame) refinished, there is an excellent chance you will need to shoot some rounds to get the coatings thinned out in the right spots. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The slide stops with the top bullet in the magazine stuck against the feed ramp. moved the trigger spring up on the trigger bar. I haven't fired it yet, but all of the dry functions now work as well as the recoil spring test!!! Does the gun run OK or is it failing to go into battery during live fire? I'm wondering if it could be a defective recoil spring? Pull out a round that chokes the pistol in the manner you are describing. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I have a brand new Gen4 Glock 17, which the only "upgrade" I have done is change the connector to a Taran Tactical one. Any ideas on what the issue might be? Let me start by saying that I know I bought the wrong aftermarket slide. "If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. Upload or insert images from URL. You can post now and register later. One new winner* is announced every week! A couple weeks ago I installed a Timney Trigger with the red return spring. is the cruciform on the trigger bar seated properly in the trigger mechanism housing? Your previous content has been restored. Comedian and Student of Life | Ep 029 JP Sears, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock 19 w/ LWD threaded bbl not going into battery with trigger depressed *Fixed*. How long are the mounting screws for the RDS? Wondering if you ever got your issues resolved? I've had two other people shoot it to make sure it wasn't a grip issue (one of the people was the class instructor so I hope his grip was good. How much did you need to take off? Yes, the Glock has been altered from stock. 4 Reply SuccMySquanch 8 mo. I check the recoil spring from time to time the first way Vincent mentioned. This did the trick. Ammo from the same box will fire fine in my 92A1 and P228, and G19 with the factory barrel. LW barrels are drop in, but they really are more of forced fit. I would pull and hold the trigger, rack the slide and it wouldn't return completely to battery until I released some tension on the trigger. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. In my opinion, I'd suggest the factory rounds (or load a hotter load) and find out if it solves the problem. I recall him going into the slide then saying "wait, I don't have to mess with this." Thank you! The plunger spring somehow got turned sideways. I checked this (recoil spring drops a little) on my Glock. Its been awhile but isn't that a test on the glock holding the gun upright and dropping the slide with the trigger held? Just to make sure that it wasn't something trigger related I threw the old serrated trigger assembly back in and it does the same thing so I put the new smooth one back in. 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